From @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Mon Aug 3 03:38:43 2009 Received: from isp.becroft.co.nz (isp [127.0.0.1]) by isp.becroft.co.nz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n72FcYqF026845 for <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@>; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:38:34 +1200 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by isp.becroft.co.nz (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n72FcY8n026844 for notator-list; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:38:34 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: isp.becroft.co.nz: majordomo set sender to @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ using -f Received: from smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.206]) by isp.becroft.co.nz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with SMTP id n72FcNLe026836 for <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@>; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:38:24 +1200 Received: (qmail 74577 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2009 15:38:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PThkImAbtaHHyiXYVSPzQy/u1LsJGeV8rUAQtZuw1DrLDbLFRgMG+OJFnSvLgFxg72mU1KYGko7tF2rgAsxF0ziw95RlaYMq5pfi7o0B6dmoRoMwGfh3XIMKH6A63Oai7UX5Y3c/DBWKzFojLh+h5ZkOp1zP9NEQQUXS5Ucvc2k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ANDY) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ with login) by smtp108.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2009 15:38:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0yG2eg4VM1mk_Zb16oGcMoZLe5K0FA.Pk9USG7qhBdyHytMmq_IzvasxeEpJN..dJQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <006d01ca1387$1de79770$7b00a8c0@ANDY> From: "David Wildsmith" <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> To: <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> References: <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> Subject: Re: [NSL] RE: Gerhard Lengeling Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:37:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on isp.becroft.co.nz Sender: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Precedence: bulk Reply-To: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ X-URL: http://www.notator.org [Notator/Creator SL mailing list] I nominate four people (maybe three): Vic Peters (he contacted Gerhard) The guy who knew Gerhard years ago (was that Vic?) Hallvard Tangeraas (no expanation needed) Robinson Kelly (he understands the delicateness of the situation) Alan Clarke (see above) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robinson Kelly" <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> To: <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: RE: [NSL] RE: Gerhard Lengeling [Notator/Creator SL mailing list] I think we need to "elect" or appoint a spokesperson to liaise with him. Amongst ourselves, we must determine what the "wish list", prioritize it and then have the spokesperson (the most politic person we've got) be the person (and the ONLY person) to raise these issues in a careful and respectful manner. If we funnel all "support" issues through one person, the odds that he'll help increase dramatically. (Especially if we make it clear that we've proactively taken this approach out of respect for his time). This person needs to be both technical enough to manage the discussion efficiently, but also savvy enough to nurture the relationship, while displaying just the right amount of respect and appreciation for his achievements. Just the right bit of ego stroking should help. Further - Gerhard needs to be made aware, in a sensitive manner, the road blocks that are in our way. He's seems like a creative guy - and I'm sure, framed correctly, he would sympathize with the plight of so many creative folks, stymied by the technical and pragmatic restraints we're labouring under. This is a golden opportunity to not only keep the programs alive - but to enhance our ability to use them in the manner they were designed - ease of creativity. I hope we make the most of it! RK -----Original Message----- From: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [mailto:@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ On Behalf Of Dave Post Sent: August 2, 2009 1:14 AM To: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Subject: Re: [NSL] RE: Gerhard Lengeling [Notator/Creator SL mailing list] It seems unrealistic to me to expect he'll start participating on this list. He's surely busy with his VP job at Apple, and posting here would invite a flood of questions, comments, etc. about things he may not remember that well anymore. It could easily turn into a big time sink. And if he metered his time, people would get upset about his unresponsiveness. Indeed, he hasn't posted here *once* and some are ragging on him already! There's really no upside to it from his perspective that I can see. I'll be satisfied if he responds to my query about the manual's copyright. I'm encouraged by the fact that he replied to Vic. Perhaps he's researching an answer to me and will respond. So my answer to Vic's "Now what?" question is: "Nothing." We shouldn't pester him to join in. He knows where to find us and will post if he wants to. I see no harm if others want to send him fan mail via Facebook, though. Dave UNSUBSCRIBE? Send an email to: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ with the command: UNSUBSCRIBE NOTATOR your@email (replace "your@email" with your own email address Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 15/05/2009 6:16 AM UNSUBSCRIBE? Send an email to: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ with the command: UNSUBSCRIBE NOTATOR your@email (replace "your@email" with your own email address UNSUBSCRIBE? Send an email to: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ with the command: UNSUBSCRIBE NOTATOR your@email (replace "your@email" with your own email address