From @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Fri Aug 7 08:27:56 2009 Received: from isp.becroft.co.nz (isp [127.0.0.1]) by isp.becroft.co.nz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n76KRk6b007893 for <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@>; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:27:46 +1200 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by isp.becroft.co.nz (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n76KRkxf007892 for notator-list; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:27:46 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: isp.becroft.co.nz: majordomo set sender to @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ using -f Received: from col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.87]) by isp.becroft.co.nz (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n76KRXIr007883 for <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@>; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:27:34 +1200 Received: from COL115-W17 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s13.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:26:35 -0700 Message-ID: <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4ee1a7f6-eca9-446c-bed0-3d8ad781af44_" X-Originating-IP: [90.216.186.140] From: alan hodgetts <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> To: <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> Subject: RE: [NSL] Re: Gerhard Lengeling Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:26:34 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001201ca16bf$69623990$7b00a8c0@ANDY> References: <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> <001201ca16bf$69623990$7b00a8c0@ANDY> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2009 20:26:35.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[318F8E90:01CA16D4] X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on isp.becroft.co.nz Sender: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Precedence: bulk Reply-To: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ X-URL: http://www.notator.org [Notator/Creator SL mailing list] --_4ee1a7f6-eca9-446c-bed0-3d8ad781af44_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know I'm more of a watcher of this forum (along with I suspect quite a fe= w others!) than a contributor=2C but just to throw in my two penny worth.=20 I know if I was a busy man with a high flying career and bunch of people us= ing something I did a decade or so ago got in contact. I think Id be wonder= ing what they want and if I want to be associated with them as they are a p= otentially going to be a pain in the arse!=20 My point being why not just concisely say what you want? Maybe just ask wha= t the chances are of a dongle free Mac/windows version? Isn't that what you= want? =20 > From: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > To: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > Subject: Re: [NSL] Re: Gerhard Lengeling > Date: Thu=2C 6 Aug 2009 13:57:46 -0400 >=20 > [Notator/Creator SL mailing list] >=20 >=20 > I was thinking that we might present something like this to Mr Lengeling: >=20 > Gerhard Lengeling's and Chris Adam's legacy deserves to live on for futur= e=20 > generations of music makers. (Sorry if this sounds corny=2C but you might= be=20 > surprised at how man's acheivements survive or get buried through history= .)=20 > This could be acheived in two ways - >=20 > 1 - Release an exact version of 3.21 Notator for Mac=2C kind of like all = the=20 > "legacy" VST synths or video games. Include it free with a new Mac=2C or = sell=20 > it at a fair price. It could become as common as Garageband. If Apple own= s=20 > the code=2C they keep it on their platform. >=20 > 2 - Release an Atari dongle-free version. No source code. >=20 > Okay=2C the second suggestion only serves this community=2C but we can ho= pe.=20 > The biggest obstacle I see is this - If I asked you to show me your tax=20 > receipts for 1993=2C how long would it take you to find them? And what=20 > incentive would it take=2C besides a government audit? What makes us all= =20 > assume that Lengeling and/or Adams have this code handy? I figure that th= e=20 > code for Notator is either destroyed or moth-balled somewhere. >=20 > Perhaps every time we ask=2C they just shake their heads and go - "Sheesh= !=20 > Give it up=2C boys. It's gone!" >=20 > David >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Notator-owner" <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> > To: <@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@> > Sent: Wednesday=2C August 05=2C 2009 2:17 PM > Subject: [NSL] Re: Gerhard Lengeling >=20 >=20 > [Notator/Creator SL mailing list] >=20 > On 01-08-2009 21:43=2C Vic Peters wrote: >=20 > > I received a FaceBook reply from Gerhard Lengeling today. My message an= d > > his reply follow... >=20 > Well done Vic!! > Nicely written which gave us a so far=2C positive response :-) >=20 >=20 > > I have been a faithful user of your wonderful Notator program for many > > years. Did you know that there are still quite a few of us that are sti= ll > > using it? In fact=2C there's a Notator/Creator forum at > > http://www.notator.org or e-mail @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ . >=20 > The above email address only works for those who are already members=2C > and Mr. Lengeling hasn't attempted to post or to join the list as far as > I can see. > It's worth noting however that anyone can browse through and read our > discussions by going here: > http://www.notator.org/cgi-bin/notator/archiveindex.cgi > The link is found where it says "Browse list archive": > http://notator.org/#search >=20 > So Gerhard Lengeling might very well have followed our discussions=2C and > I suggest everybody show him respect when posting. >=20 >=20 > "What's next?" you asked. > Well=2C I our main objective is still to get Notator released dongle-free= =2C > so to make it more stable and error free for us all. > I would guess that Mr. Lengeling won't see Notator as a threat to the > currently sold Logic=2C but only he can answer that question. > We've been discussing other things in the past as well (getting the > Notator code released as freeware=2C thereby making it possible for > different programmers to improve on it and/or the owners themselves > improving it etc.=2C but one thing at a time). >=20 > Since you've initiated contact and I appreciate your respectful and > non-intrusive tone I suggest you follow it up=2C Vic=2C one step at a tim= e. >=20 > You could perhaps give mr. Lengeling a little information about us=2C suc= h as: >=20 > - the Notator list and website has been going on for 12 years (this month= !) > - there are almost 200 members on the list=2C from all over the world > (there may be even more Notator users using the website=2C but haven't > joined the list) > - several members are using Notator in a professional environment=2C even > today. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I have limited Internet access at the moment=2C but will check in once in > a while. Keeping my fingers crossed :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Hallvard Tangeraas > Notator mailing list owner & maintainer > http://www.notator.org >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > UNSUBSCRIBE? > Send an email to: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > with the command: UNSUBSCRIBE NOTATOR your@email > (replace "your@email" with your own email address >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > UNSUBSCRIBE? > Send an email to: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > with the command: UNSUBSCRIBE NOTATOR your@email > (replace "your@email" with your own email address >=20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Upgrade to Internet Explorer 8 Optimised for MSN. =20 http://extras.uk.msn.com/internet-explorer-8/?ocid=3DT010MSN07A0716U= --_4ee1a7f6-eca9-446c-bed0-3d8ad781af44_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know I'm more of a watcher of this forum (along with I suspect quite a fe= w others!) than a contributor=2C but just to throw in my two penny worth. <= BR> I know if I was a busy man with a high flying career and bunch of people&nb= sp=3Busing something I did a decade or so ago got in contact. I think Id&nb= sp=3Bbe wondering what they want and if I want to be associated with them a= s they are a potentially going to be a =3Bpain in the arse!
My point being why not just concisely say what you want? =3BMaybe just = ask what the chances are of a dongle free Mac/windows version? Isn't that w= hat you want?
 =3B
>=3B From: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>= =3B To: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>=3B Subject: Re: [NSL] Re: Gerhard Lengel= ing
>=3B Date: Thu=2C 6 Aug 2009 13:57:46 -0400
>=3B
>=3B [= Notator/Creator SL mailing list]
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B I was thin= king that we might present something like this to Mr Lengeling:
>=3B <= BR>>=3B Gerhard Lengeling's and Chris Adam's legacy deserves to live on f= or future
>=3B generations of music makers. (Sorry if this sounds cor= ny=2C but you might be
>=3B surprised at how man's acheivements survi= ve or get buried through history.)
>=3B This could be acheived in two= ways -
>=3B
>=3B 1 - Release an exact version of 3.21 Notator f= or Mac=2C kind of like all the
>=3B "legacy" VST synths or video game= s. Include it free with a new Mac=2C or sell
>=3B it at a fair price.= It could become as common as Garageband. If Apple owns
>=3B the code= =2C they keep it on their platform.
>=3B
>=3B 2 - Release an Ata= ri dongle-free version. No source code.
>=3B
>=3B Okay=2C the se= cond suggestion only serves this community=2C but we can hope.
>=3B T= he biggest obstacle I see is this - If I asked you to show me your tax
= >=3B receipts for 1993=2C how long would it take you to find them? And wh= at
>=3B incentive would it take=2C besides a government audit? What m= akes us all
>=3B assume that Lengeling and/or Adams have this code ha= ndy? I figure that the
>=3B code for Notator is either destroyed or m= oth-balled somewhere.
>=3B
>=3B Perhaps every time we ask=2C the= y just shake their heads and go - "Sheesh!
>=3B Give it up=2C boys. I= t's gone!"
>=3B
>=3B David
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
&= gt=3B ----- Original Message -----
>=3B From: "Notator-owner" <=3Bn= @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>=3B To: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ =3B
>=3B Sent: Wednesday=2C August 05=2C 2009 2:17 PM
>=3B Subjec= t: [NSL] Re: Gerhard Lengeling
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B [Notator/Cre= ator SL mailing list]
>=3B
>=3B On 01-08-2009 21:43=2C Vic Peter= s wrote:
>=3B
>=3B >=3B I received a FaceBook reply from Gerha= rd Lengeling today. My message and
>=3B >=3B his reply follow...
= >=3B
>=3B Well done Vic!!
>=3B Nicely written which gave us a = so far=2C positive response :-)
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B >=3B I ha= ve been a faithful user of your wonderful Notator program for many
>= =3B >=3B years. Did you know that there are still quite a few of us that = are still
>=3B >=3B using it? In fact=2C there's a Notator/Creator f= orum at
>=3B >=3B http://www.notator.org or e-mail @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ rg .
>=3B
>=3B The above email address only works for those who = are already members=2C
>=3B and Mr. Lengeling hasn't attempted to post= or to join the list as far as
>=3B I can see.
>=3B It's worth no= ting however that anyone can browse through and read our
>=3B discussi= ons by going here:
>=3B http://www.notator.org/cgi-bin/notator/archive= index.cgi
>=3B The link is found where it says "Browse list archive":<= BR>>=3B http://notator.org/#search
>=3B
>=3B So Gerhard Lengel= ing might very well have followed our discussions=2C and
>=3B I sugges= t everybody show him respect when posting.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B = "What's next?" you asked.
>=3B Well=2C I our main objective is still t= o get Notator released dongle-free=2C
>=3B so to make it more stable a= nd error free for us all.
>=3B I would guess that Mr. Lengeling won't = see Notator as a threat to the
>=3B currently sold Logic=2C but only h= e can answer that question.
>=3B We've been discussing other things in= the past as well (getting the
>=3B Notator code released as freeware= =2C thereby making it possible for
>=3B different programmers to impro= ve on it and/or the owners themselves
>=3B improving it etc.=2C but on= e thing at a time).
>=3B
>=3B Since you've initiated contact and= I appreciate your respectful and
>=3B non-intrusive tone I suggest yo= u follow it up=2C Vic=2C one step at a time.
>=3B
>=3B You could= perhaps give mr. Lengeling a little information about us=2C such as:
&g= t=3B
>=3B - the Notator list and website has been going on for 12 yea= rs (this month!)
>=3B - there are almost 200 members on the list=2C fr= om all over the world
>=3B (there may be even more Notator users using= the website=2C but haven't
>=3B joined the list)
>=3B - several = members are using Notator in a professional environment=2C even
>=3B t= oday.
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B I have limited Internet ac= cess at the moment=2C but will check in once in
>=3B a while. Keeping = my fingers crossed :-)
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B --
&g= t=3B Hallvard Tangeraas
>=3B Notator mailing list owner &=3B mainta= iner
>=3B http://www.notator.org
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B
&= gt=3B
>=3B UNSUBSCRIBE?
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&= gt=3B
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